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Dana C
12-21-2011, 05:00 PM
I saw that there have been no new posts in most catagories for over a week. Why don't people use this site? It is friendly, informative and easy to access.
It appears that Tegu Talk is used a lot but has it's issues. The other sites are not entirely dedicated or are hard to find. I would think that there would be many more here.
Dana

bubblz
12-21-2011, 08:27 PM
This site hasn't been that active for a while now,.. not as active as it use to be. Around this time of year both sites slow down with tegu activity. Some times traffic can be kept up with contests and off topic discussions but there's only so much you can do. Sometimes we get distracted with life, projects, other pet forums or what ever the case may be.

But people still check in every so often and respond to posts.

laurarfl
12-21-2011, 08:44 PM
Tegu Talk has more members and more traffic. This was the first and original tegu forum. When Rick (the owner) and Bobby got into an argument, Bobby created Tegu Talk. This forum remained as the rogue forum of Bobby's banned members. I find this one to be more scientific and more friendly, but that's just me. Rick doesn't participate in the site as much as he used to so there isn't much activity in the way of advertising, etc. And since Rick isn't selling tegus, there's probably no reason for him to invest in the forum. I'm just grateful it is still here.

BogganR
12-21-2011, 09:09 PM
I was thinking its cuz most of our Tegus are down for the winter... One thing i know for sure is that i miss my girl! I want her to wake up already :)

laurarfl
12-22-2011, 01:54 PM
I'm sure that is it as well. My adults are down, but I have a young one up and my Colombians. We have had a busy year with some medical issues at home which has kept me from posting more. I try to get to the posts that need help, but can't always get to the ones that are photo posts, etc.

Rhetoric90
12-23-2011, 06:17 AM
I will probably start to spend more time on this site, I lurk a lot lol but I don't post much.

laurarfl
12-23-2011, 03:24 PM
Stalker.....jk. I think a lot of people from both sites come here and read, but post over there.

tupinambis
12-24-2011, 01:12 AM
A few of us are prohibited from posting there....seems a certain someone there doesn't like being debated with.

While slow is a little troubling, I'll take it over the 20 threads of people asking what's wrong with their tegu while they're all posting the exact same symptoms. It feels good to help people out, it's dismaying when you have to repeat the same advice over and over and over and over and over and over and over.....

But for tegu discussion, there have been some somewhat interesting (to hobbyists) scientific papers out on tegus this last year or so. Can't say with respect to pet tegus, but evidently wild tegus seem to harbour rather heavy loads of Salmonella sp., something that hobbyists may want to keep in mind with respect to their husbandry. Another group of scientists have finally looked at the compounds in the secretions of tegu femoral pores. Although not much definitive was said (it was primarily a list of the types of chemical compounds found), there looks to be good evidence that as suspected there is likely pheromones produced.

txrepgirl
12-24-2011, 10:38 AM
I feel bad that I haven't been on here as much as I used to. I think if we post more photos, videos and some more infos we will get more members on here to post again. I also have been getting some e-mails from some new users who can't post on here. I think that some new users just want to have a few questions answered and then don't come on here again for a while. But it new users are able to post then we have more new posts to answer new questions. Honestly, if I would be a new user and I wouldn't be able to post right away I would find a different forum to go to. I don't blame them. I wish we could go back to the old way.

laurarfl
12-24-2011, 02:36 PM
Rick said that I would be able to admit new users, but I can't as a moderator. If he wants to make me an admin, I could do more. I get emails about new users, but I can't even see their profiles, much less auhtorize their membership.

I don't know if you knew, tupinambis, but Josh bought the Tegu Talk website and Bobby isn't over there at all. I'm sure you could be reinstated (or whatever) if you had the desire. There would be some good debates over there for you. ;)

Dana C
12-24-2011, 03:38 PM
I know that it took me a few weeks to be approved so that I could post. I will add some pictures later today by the way.

On Tegu's, the presence of Salmonella isn't surprising considering their diet. What would be fascinating would be research on captive pet Tegu's. In other words, diet variations and their effect on growth health on over one hundred plus animals. Temperature statistics including ambient, basking, hibernation etc of enlosures over a large population. Temprament variations between species, handling frequency, method as documented by a third part observer. This would include observed Tegu owner bonding.
I know that people both here and on TT serve as mentors and that there are a grillion videos on You Tube and there is a great deal of experience with Tegu husbandry that can be tapped. What I am talking about is asking a relatively large group of Tegu owners the exact same questions and doing actual field observation, measurements etc in peoples homes or where ever they keep their Tegus. The result would be a body of information gathered objectively and empirically.

I know that the liklihood of this ever happening is slim to none and that most people would not really be interested in a study like this but some of us, (like yours truely), would find it very interesting.

tupinambis
12-24-2011, 04:40 PM
While I undoubtedly enjoy a good debate, the caveat is "good". I'm not fond of the typical ego-tripping pissing matches that the internet seems to foster, and unfortunately there's a significant amount of that over on TT. Too many people more interested in being King Turd of Feces Island than in promoting the hobby, last time I browsed there.

Dana, the problem with such an endeavour is that without rigourous controls, and proper understanding of the data, such information would be meaningless and rather highly but falsely influencial. For instance, take a look at the compiled data on the nutritional content of whole prey animals that get thrown about. You see conclusions from people based from that such as rats have more fat than mice, or pinkies have more calcium than hoppers, when the data doesn't really say that. People focus on averages as if they are the only data point and are a goal to be strived for, when all that an average represents is a "center" point of the data, that's all. That information also lacked any standard controls for the numerous studies from which the data was pulled from, which makes it very difficult to properly address the data being presented. Don't get me wrong, I understand why many people would want this data, and why they believe it to be helpful. However, I doubt they would understand the true value of such data, or even if some of that data is actually good. For example, I frequently see people posting on how quick to get their tegus to adulthood, that if a tegu is only such'n'such a size at a certain age, that there's something wrong. There's nothing inherently wrong with being small at any age. It can be an indicator of improper husbandry or ill health, but it doesn't have to be, many animals grow at a slower rate due to genetics and there's nothing wrong with them. On the flip side, attaining a large size in a short time frame actually IS usually an indicator of improper husbandry inducing ill health, but few realise this, they just think big is better.

Dana C
12-24-2011, 06:09 PM
That is why I thought it to be almost impossible. As for the data, while it could be helpful in understanding the species, which is what I value. It could also and would most likely be used to foment arguements and the pissing matches that you refer to. It is too easy to take a piece of information and use it out of context and only quote it partially without the "qualifiers" that may come before or after.

Your comment on pushing growth to achieve some sort of giantism in Tupinambus is spot on. Some of the pictures of huge males show animals that are clearly obese. They ususally go on about how "my boy eats 4 rats at time". My guess that one would be plenty. A fat sluggish Tegu cannot be healthy.
I have three Tegus currently. One is an adult male and two junvenilles the Red female is about 25" now and likely 6+ months old. When I bought her, my aquisition was not at all based upon how big she was going to get or how fast she would naturally grow or how I could make her grow faster. I feed her enough so that she has a nice fat base on her tail. She sheds well, seems content and is really coming along in the taming department.
The other baby which is a Varnyard AA, I picked up second hand from a guy in N. Carolina who got two. He is not growing nearly as fast as the girl and is more picky about his food. He will be what ever he is going to be in terms of size and will get there in his own time. I don't care if he is 4+ feet long at all. I want him to be healthy, and hopefully colorful and very tame.
Like you aptly point out, there is no contest involved here. Case in point, the guy that I got the AA from, bought one from Bobby and when it arrived it had an injured back and wasn't expected to live long. Bobby did the right thing and sent him another one. As it turned out, the first one did live and the buyer had become attached to it gimpy back and all and sold me the second, healthy one. He didn't care about anything other than his attachment to the animal. He doesn't care about his size, his impairment or anything other than the well being of his reptile friend.

This is the kind of discussion I love. I am a "life long learner" and never want to stop. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong or present contrarian points of view. I would rather learn than be isolated from Tegu learning and knowledge.

laurarfl
12-24-2011, 08:29 PM
I definitely agree with about the ego boosts on Internet forums. There are just a few that I frequent and this is pretty much the only reptile forum in which I participate on a regular basis. I go through spurts over at TT, but generally I feel like I'm intruding for some reason. I try to help people when I can, try not to speak beyond my knowledge range, and learn from those with more (legitimate) knowledge than I have. But I'm not a blind follower of anyone; I think about the logic of claims and the source of information. Perhaps the fact that I'm not one to jump on the bandwagon so to speak makes me seem "offish" to some people. I'm not confrontational, and I have other things to do, too, besides haggle on the Internet. Once I've said my piece, I'm pretty much done. And I'm only the queen of my own house. lol ;) That's why I still think of this forum as the "rogue forum". It is really laid back. Speaking of rogue, what happened to HM? I thought she was banned from over there, too. And Megan used to post here even after she gave up her tegus.

txrepgirl
12-25-2011, 12:10 AM
Laura. I hope I'm doing this right. To activate a new user I would just have to click on the e-mail I get from the forum for a new user and check out the profile ? I just tried to make you a Vice Admin but only Rick can do this. Maria and I are only allowed to make someone a Moderator.

tupinambis
12-25-2011, 01:25 AM
Dana, your post shows an astute mind, kudos.

I was somewhat aware of TT mainly being directed by Josh, but it doesn't really change my perception of that forum much. While Bobby was indeed a significant reason for staying away, I'd say that particular pool requires a lot more chlorine than I'm willing to administer at this point. In the last few years I've watched a number of forums evolve along two distinct paths: one path seems to foster ego, another fosters help and information. While stepping on toes is occassionally entertaining, it gets tedious, especially when it devolves to strawman arguments and one-up-manship. I am rather content sitting back here and seeing that I've had a little positive effect on the education of a few people and improved the lives of a few tegus.

Rhetoric90
12-27-2011, 08:56 AM
Haha, stalker indeed! I mainly post there because there are more active members. But I have noticed that some of them are also on here (bubblz, laura, sometimes txrep and reptastic)

Larua I was also going to mention that Josh does all of TT now. He seems to be more than fair with the members, he doesn't give the mods special treatment either, we get in trouble too... I try to stay out of the arguing but every now and then I have to say something about it because it gets too out of hand. It's too bad people can't just get along!

TT has a best of tegu talk with a bunch of links to commonly asked questions. It seems to work really well, when people have repetitive questions we just post the link to that thread and let them do more of their own learning. Is there something like that on here?

I like both sites!! I just wish there were more active members here. Are there ever any contests or anything? Even small things like winning cage decorations, lights, gift cards/certificates.

txrepgirl
12-27-2011, 11:54 AM
No, we don't have any contests ( yet ;) ) . When I used to be on here allot I posted allot of link to some posts or very good info I found on the net on here. After new years I'll have a bit more time to be on here more ( like I used to ). I do miss being on here. I'll think of something what I can give away for a price and what kind of contest to hold. Maybe a video of the enclosure ( it would be great if it's a home made one ). Or a funny video of the member's Tegu. Maybe if I make some new videos of our Tegus and post them on youtube we will get more members on here again. I revered allot of people from youtube to our forum.

Dana C
05-19-2012, 06:27 PM
Just a thought......can we as a web site sort of "blast fax" a PM to our members encouraging them to post? Another thought would be the regular posting of links to articles, reptile husbandry hints, veterinary information etc. to demonstrate that we can be a good "go to" site for Tegu and other information needed regarding lizards in general. Also, I wonder if we could, by permission of course", reproduce and post pieces of articles appearing in the different publications that from time to time focus on Tegus?

laurarfl
05-21-2012, 02:31 PM
We can. I think this site is known for scientific info, thanks to tupinambis. I think because the tone here is different, people come here to read and TT to chat, haha.

I did have a similar idea, Dana, of posting good articles and being a sound resource. I was just thinking about that last week.

Gnatilie
05-22-2012, 05:28 AM
i occasionally post... or i try to...i spend a lot of time on RTB since that is my primary herp that i keep... and they have a tegu section so sometimes i will post on there... but i attempt to post here... and will attempt to do so more